Tim Keller and I talked about his new book, The Reason for God, and some recently released research (see here).
You can listen to the podcast here and read the story here. Here are some excerpts from the story released today:
Keller, Stetzer discuss evangelism, belief in an age of skepticism By Chris TurnerNASHVILLE, Tenn.—A recently released LifeWay Research study reveals that more than 70 percent of unbelievers surveyed agree that “Jesus makes a difference,” but more than 70 percent also affirmed that “the church is full of hypocrites.” One prominent author understands why both questions would elicit such strong responses.
“They almost have to feel that way because the view from the outside is that if you aren’t living like Jesus Christ you won’t go to heaven,” said Tim Keller, pastor of Redeemer Presbyterian Church in Manhattan and author of the New York Times bestseller, The Reason for God: Belief in an age of skepticism. Keller’s comments came in a recent Inside LifeWay podcast with Ed Stetzer, director of LifeWay Research. Both the unchurched study and the podcast can be found at LifeWayResearch.com.
“When they see Christians saying they are born again and they don’t see an incredibly changed life they assume you are a hypocrite,” Keller said...
“Of all the objections to Christianity, saying God is the same as all the others is the weakest and easiest to disprove,” he said. “There are two ways to go about it. The practical way is that all other religions have someone who says ‘I am a prophet come to show you the way to God.’ Only Christianity was founded by a man who said ‘I’m God come to find you.’ Now if Jesus said that…then either Christianity is either a superior or inferior way to God, but it can’t be equal [to all the others]. You ask any rabbi or imam or anybody who knows anything about their religion they’d say the same thing."
Stetzer pointed out that one of the findings in the study was that 52 percent agreed somewhat or strongly that Jesus died and was resurrected, and among those 30 years of age and younger, 66 percent responded likewise.
“Chris Smith talks about this in his book, Soul Searching,” Keller said. “The average young person has adopted Christian beliefs. Smith calls it moral therapeutic deism. Moral being ‘I’m going to heaven because I’m good.’ Therapeutic means ‘my purpose in life is to be happy and fulfilled and satisfied.’ Deism is that ‘God isn’t part of my day but somebody I bring in when I have a need.’ The resurrection clobbers all three of those. The resurrection means this world matters, you’re here to serve, and God is rehabilitating the world and dealing with the results of sin.”
“The real issue isn’t so much, ‘Is there a God?’ as much as ‘Is Jesus really who He says He is?’” Keller states.
Stetzer pointed out that even though there are skeptics, 78 percent of those surveyed said they are willing to listen to a Christian talk about faith and are open to having conversations about God. “If that’s the case,” he asked, “How do we become better at proclaiming the gospel?”
“Almost everybody who doubts does so for personal reasons, mainly because they have had bad experiences with the church, Christianity or Christians,” Keller responded. “[As a Christian] you can’t just say, ‘I’m going to give you the gospel and you’re going to hear it.’ You have to embody a different kind of Christianity than the one they have experienced in the past or they are simply not going to hear it. It has to do with tone, graciousness, consistency of your own behavior, it’s all stuff we know but it is absolutely true.
“People are not used to Christians being patient with them, sympathetic with them and their doubts,” he said. “They are not used to that. They are used to propaganda, criticism, and being talked down to.”
Comments (6)
At our church plant in Idaho we have seen ZERO converts through visitors. Every baptism we've had was as a result of family and friend relationships.
However, if we are going to rethink evangelism we'd better rethink discipleship too. Our retention of new converts has been lower than expected. I think we tried to plug new converts into traditional programs and that tanked. The only people who have stayed around for our discipleship is churched people.
If we are behind the ball in evangelism, I'd say we are even further behind in discipleship. Maybe we shouldn't separate the two so much.
Posted by Bennett | April 24, 2008 12:48 PM
Posted on April 24, 2008 12:48
Just how many in your Church are eager to be Discipled?
In His Name
Wayne
Posted by smithwe | April 24, 2008 3:20 PM
Posted on April 24, 2008 15:20
Tim Keller says:
“Almost everybody who doubts does so for personal reasons, mainly because they have had bad experiences with the church, Christianity or Christians,” Keller responded. “[As a Christian] you can’t just say, ‘I’m going to give you the gospel and you’re going to hear it.’ You have to embody a different kind of Christianity than the one they have experienced in the past or they are simply not going to hear it. It has to do with tone, graciousness, consistency of your own behavior, it’s all stuff we know but it is absolutely true.
“People are not used to Christians being patient with them, sympathetic with them and their doubts,” he said. “They are not used to that. They are used to propaganda, criticism, and being talked down to.”
Wow is he right. The entitlement mentality in the church can be replaced, and with no compromise of the gospel message.
Posted by Alvin Reid | April 24, 2008 4:39 PM
Posted on April 24, 2008 16:39
Great words to ponder! May we listen and apply!
Posted by M. Steve Heartsill | April 24, 2008 7:09 PM
Posted on April 24, 2008 19:09
Ed,
Reading your book comeback churches and would love to contact you with a few comments. Nevertheless, I am pastoring a 100 year old traditional church and would love to speak about how in the three years of serving as pastor the last thing on many church going peoples mind is discipleship.
Matt
Posted by Matt | April 24, 2008 9:02 PM
Posted on April 24, 2008 21:02
If anyone is curious about what it means to be likeable, listen to Keller's lecture at UC Berkeley. he connects with an audience that I'm guessing is very opposed to some of the things he believes. Yet even though they disagreed, I would imagine that the students have a respect for Keller that wasn't present prior to his lecture.
http://webcast.berkeley.edu/event_details.php?webcastid=22988
Posted by Michael | April 25, 2008 7:22 AM
Posted on April 25, 2008 07:22